Updated 1/8/13: Just finished the first rough transcript. Scroll to the bottom.
This post is going to be rewritten and edited, but in the meantime, here goes. Originally, I thought I would have been able to post the three transcripts of three video clips, but it has taken longer than I expected.
Here are three videos taken at the December 3rd, 2012 Upcountry Sustainability meeting in Pa'ia, Maui featuring Lucienne de Naie and Mahina Martin's presentation on the Public Lands Development Corporation, Act 55. This is a big threat to public lands on islands, including prime farm lands on Oahu, watershed land, and pristine land like the Ahihi-Kinau natural area on Maui. There is one more video I hope to add later.
Rough transcript of video clip 1:
Mahina: To repeal the bill you learn about tonight and make some changes, or lose that battle and wait for another year for it to come again. And by then we’ll need your… that’s why we’re here for you… and to share our thoughts on this…
Lucienne: We have these little hand outs the cliff notes version of what you can do, who you can write… where you can go. Mahina: Lucienne will also talk a little about the Sierra Club.
Lucienne: the end of the 6 week period is the start of the legislative session… Once it starts, things happen very quickly. Mahina as you can tell.
Lucienne: Thank you to Upcountry Sustainability. I think Mahina and I are very grateful for this. We kind of rubbed elbows at the same meeting in august, and thought somebody should start getting the troops educated here and getting the word out. My name’s Lucienne de Naie. I’m an activist with a couple of different organizations but I’ve served as an officer chair and another officer statewide of the Sierra club. The sierra club is one of the few organizations in
that actually has a fulltime person tracking what the legislature is doing. And
he’s very busy, he’s our director, Robert Harris, and he’s an attorney, so he’s
a very smart guy, and I remember in 2011, Robert calling me and saying, oh hey
the state’s making a u-turn (?) … and there’s nothing we can do. It was one
bill about one thing and now it’s a bill about something else and the comment
period is closed. We wouldn’t have
enough time to get enough people down to comment. It’s like we don’t know what to do. We’re
gonna have to hope that during the rule making we can make this an accountable
thing. This was the public lands development corporation, so I’m gonna share a
few slides with you about where this began. Hawaii
Video jumps forward…
Lucienne: It’s …very, very broad powers and very, very vague language, and usually things like that don’t accomplish what they intended to do. I see Gladys nodding here (referring to Maui County Council Chair Gladys Baisa in the audience). She’s seen a few things like that. So without further ado…
Mahina: And on the intent of raising money for DLNR. Although they’re cash strapped and they’re definitely in need of that, we don’t believe this is the way. And quite frankly, if you look at the larger projects that they want to do, if you think about it, do you think that money is going to show up magically in their budget for 2013 -2014? No, so, aside from the $100 filing fee for someone who wants to propose a project, we can’t detect any cash flowing into DLNR soon enough, safe enough and adequately enough. To that point, we really would challenge this idea that it will create money for a cash-strapped department. Clearly, it’s just not the way. So, we’re going to talk a little about the PLDC and we still laugh about how the first two words are public land followed by development.
Slide shows the legislative building, with words “How did PLDC originate?”
Mahina: That’s exactly where it started. Last year, this is actually two yrs ago coming January. But last year, the Senate had a bill that came through. Out of this idea by Senator Malama Solomon and Senator Donovan Delacruz, which all of you probably know by know, is a … [unclear] of this bill.
They started on the Senate and it was known as Senate Bill 1555. It was pretty quiet. Everyone agreed. DLNR needed money. Let’s look at something. The original version even included representation by the neighbor islands on the so called “power board” and eventually it got deleted.
In a fast switch, 23 days later, it made its way to the House and major revisions including removal of neighbor island representation, and a five member board, four of which have no cultural history experience background. They’re all actually financial, finance people, which is red flag #1 for us.
But there was a lot of movement that went through the House and Senate pretty quick and before you know it, it showed up on the finance committee and they along, this is the committee – but Calvin Say who our own… [?] Joseph is trying to unseat.
House speaker Calvin Say allowed for waiving the 48-hour rule so in essence it gave the public, whether you’re in Hana or Haleiwa or anywhere else or Lihue. You only had 115 minutes to hustle on over there and raise your objections. So, of course,
who’s there, who’s a former senator
himself, waved the 2nd red flag and said, “Wait wait wait wait, what
do you mean?” Gary
And you can’t waive that, but they did. 115 minutes. We’re not making this up, there are records. We actually went into research and tracked it down to when these things made it through the legislature. So already we know this isn’t good. Most of us are pretty dormant, we just don’t know this is happening because this is 2011 of last year.
Eventually… it makes its way through and it lands on Governor Abercrombie’s desk, and as you know, he can sign it into law or let it become law. So in a very rapid manner, it got signed into law. It lies dormant for a while, and now here we are in 2012.
(Slide asks, “What are
’s potential public lands?” Slide
answers, “Lands once owned by the Hawaiian monarchy and Hawaii
comprise the vast majority of state property. Estimated total: over 1 million
acres.) And in 2012, PLDC takes it out and says we want public comment, and
those were the meetings in August. They went to every major community or every
island except for Lanai, so Kingdom of Hawaii Lanai said “How
come we’re not included, and we never got an answer to that?”
Lucienne: No public lands.
Mahina: No public lands. And the interesting part with that is that as they were going around to get public input on what is known as the administrative rules, the rules that will help them govern and move and maneuver their way through their authority and power, they were already in discussions with public lands. In July in fact, Mr. Haraguchi (sp?), the executive director, had already met with two organizations, two potential developers to talk about prime farm land on
Prime farm land we use currently now.
And in July, he met with a group called the Relativity Video and Access Land Lease, one to create workforce housing and one to create a sound state studio. So they were already in discussions before July. They had no rules and were discussing the project. They did not have full authority but were already in motion. So we started paying attention because it was becoming a little too quick under the radar. So by the time it came to us, the public, we had a lot of questions including the community….
Lucienne: Let me jump in here. Hugh Starr reminded me that the very first incarnation of this bill was only about the Ala Wai Boat Harboar and another small harbor on
Ke’ehi Lagoon, and it just sort of morphed in to this million acre deal on
public lands across the state. And as we all know our public lands are mostly
on the neighbor islands. Most of the public lands are you know.. .
Q: How did the public lands become public lands?
Lucienne: As it says here (slide), most of the public lands were once owned by monarchy and the
so there’s really some debate about whether it can be legally transferred to
anybody. But this bill is just moving forward to say look, we have these
partnership opportunities with people. Kingdom of Hawaii
I had a personal presentation by Senator Delacruz and he was so proud, “Look we have this park here that no one’s doing anything with and we could do wonderful things, like we have a private group that wants to come and build cabins and build a restaurant and build that.
And it was interesting because there were a couple of citizens there that said we have a nonprofit group that’s been working with this park for years and DLNR will never give us a lease to do anything.
Why all of a sudden from some corporation you’re all interested in doing something but if a local community group that wants to invest funds here, you just kind of pushed us away. It just didn’t make a lot of sense so a lot of what’s at stake here on Maui – we have Makena State Beach, Hawaiian Home Lands, everything in light green or dark green are public lands in South Maui.
If you go on to
thousands of acres of our rainforest and you can see a lot of lands along the
coast too. Someone might think, “Wow, that’d be a nice place for a resort.”
Upcountry, we have Hawaiian Home Lands. We have our wonderful state forest
reserves at Polipoli, we have our Makawao state forest reserves. Once again, a
lot of stake, and then in Central Maui a lot of the areas that are our
watershed land, and above Haiku and Huelo and these were all crown lands. And
it really … the water rights upcountry.
What if someone came along, some Chinese firm and offered to pay more than A & B and lease them to extract water. Would we have a say, and of course the answer is no. We need to do something about this bill. I’m handing it back to you.
Mahina: This is actually what the bill itself looks like. And its description, I’ll read it to you, it’s actually a 32 page document but essentially it allows for a law. (video clipped)This law, act 55 once it was signed, senate Bill 55. but it allowed, it gave them the authority to take the initiative and use their scope of authority and defined, determined which public lands would bring the most opportune commercialization, revenue generating projects to help DLNR. That is the full stroke of what they can do. And that’s the biggest fear that we have. So, a 5 member board which we’re looking at right now…
Their chair is the director of finance, Calvin Young, and they also have William (?) over here on the far end…. The deputy director of DBED (Dept of Business and Economic Development)… and two appointees… one a former developer Duane Kurisu…and one an attorney, Bobby Bunda, former legislator… If they’re sitting around a circle, a board meeting and a project comes up to them, someone says how much can this make us. That’s what drives the decision making, and that’s the fear. Their decisions are not, their priority, their interest is not to protect and preserve but to seek out what the inventory of lands are and to be the most revenue generating for that purpose to give the money back into the state.
I want to point this out, because this is the portion of the administrative rules. After we met in August, they got heat, almost 1000 people on all the islands combined came and threw the book at them. So they said “All right, we’ll consider it.”
Lucienne: And …they made specific suggestions about the rules. A lot of people said oh we don’t like this, this is just terrible. But there were people who did their homework and said we should change this paragraph. We should make the rules different this way. And mahina was one of them. But did they listen? No.
Mahina: But what was interesting is that in the original administrative rules proposed in August. If you read it through, the whole document was peppered with the word “developer, developer, developer” Now I’m going to tell you now, I’m not anti development, but I’m anti stupid.
And I don’t appreciate someone defining what that is for a community unless they live in it. And that’s why we are going on the road…
So I want you to see what they did. They changed every word that said “developer” into something called project, proposed, entrepreneur. They softened it to the degree that they took out what they thought was gonna get people’s hair raising. They keep insisting there was community input. They would retain it, maintain it, commit to it. …
And yet (hard to understand) it states on the far right/line at least one people meeting in the community affected, one, just one. So the process is someone will come to them with a proposal, pay $100, which used to be $500 but somehow it got changed. It’s a $100 fee now. They turn in their financials, do a nice form, make sure that they have the background for it.
The board’s executive director, Mr. Haraguchi (sp?) reviews it, to see if it meets the minimum of what they want. It gets recommended to this five member board. The board asks its questions, are you sure you’re solvent, are you sure you can make money, whatever whatever. You’re required to have one public meeting.
Go to Wailuku, let’s say it’s going to be
So go to Wailuku and have your one meeting. It ends up being on a day that of
course you know some of us can, some of us can’t. They fulfill their
requirement for one meeting. Beyond that you are invited to email your
concerns, fly to Iao Valley
and attend a board meeting or mail them a letter. That’s the extent. Once that
process is completed, the board in its own decisionmaking powers will have the
authority to approve a project. And that’s how rapid something can change in
our community. 1445 Honolulu
Q from audience: Has anything gone through yet?
Mahina: They were trying, but they backed off…
Q: …A lot of people had no knowledge.. how would you officially stop rhetoric?
Mahina: In my personal opinion, I think …hold? Put? your feet to the fire when you see see it rear its ugly head. Q: is there a standard to hold your feet to the fire? What about due process, which is the recommended rule under every state under federal compliance…? Why don’t we use that?
Mahina: Well they’re supposed to follow sunshine laws…
Commenter who asked initial question: Well if they’re not fulfilling their obligation under federal law… this state has the right to turn every official for lack of due process.
(?Not sure who replied to this):The state has an exemption. They’re not under the sunshine laws, so they can do anything they want…. 48 hours..
Commenter: that’s not true…
(End of first video – remember this is a rough, imprecise transcript)